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    Default Regulation on its way in London

    Tikki Tikki can report from the latest Law Commission Report released today that it looks as if Tfl are going to move to license the industry here in London.

    You can view the full report at

    http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/docs/lc347_taxi-and-private-hire-services.pdf

    The archaic category of “stage coaches” adds a further layer of complexity. “Stage coaches” are defined as any vehicle which plies for hire and charges passengers separate fares;13 they are exempted from taxi licensing. In London, the courts have taken the view that a pedicab is a “stage carriage” and is, therefore, excluded from taxi licensing or any other form of regulation. The opposite view was taken outside London. As pedicabs are not motorised, they also fall outside the scope of private hire licensing.
    4.17 In our consultation paper, we provisionally proposed that the regulation of taxi and private hire vehicles should not be restricted to any particular type of vehicle but should rather turn on the service being provided to the public (hire of the vehicle, with the services of a driver, to carry passengers). This is because the main risks which justify licensing as a means of protecting the public do not change depending on the construction of the vehicle involved. We therefore suggested that the current limitations to motorised vehicles (in private hire legislation) and the carving out of stage coaches and stage carriages19 (in taxi legislation) should be abandoned.

    It looks as if they are going to recommend a license or a ban. We will no longer be treated as stage coaches. Tikki Tikki supports a license.

    Most consultees agreed with the proposal that taxi and private hire licensing should not be restricted to any particular type of vehicle. Many respondents shared our view that the definitions of taxis and private hire vehicles should be broad enough to ensure that all those providing passenger transport in this way meet certain safety standards, whether they use a car, motorcycle, pedicab or horse-drawn carriage. For example, members of the Institute of Licensing argued that, on grounds of public safety, all vehicles provided for hire with a driver should be controlled. Claire Burridge, a licensed taxi driver, suggested that anyone who carries any member of public in any mode of transport should be required to have a criminal record check.
    4.19 The legislative gap in respect of London pedicabs raised particular concerns. Unite the Union was concerned that our proposal would legitimise pedicabs plying for hire in London. The Association of Chief Police Officers agreed, however, that extending control to vehicles such as pedicabs would be a positive development, as their number was increasing and they raised road safety issues.
    4.20 We received further evidence on pedicabs after the consultation period from Westminster City Council, Transport for London and the Metropolitan Police.20 They told us that pedicabs raised significant safety and traffic-related issues, including contravention of restrictions on one-way streets, riding on the footway, parking in bus lanes, impeding traffic in central London and generating anti-social behaviour such as aggressive touting and playing loud music. Many pedicabs did not have working brakes, lighting or seat belts. Further, the high turnover of employees limited the long-term effects of enforcement. There were more than 650 incidents reported in 2013 and 20 collisions resulting in injury were recorded over the three year period to March 2013. These issues give rise to substantial enforcement costs. From 2010 to January 2014, Transport for London has funded or part-funded over 160 operations against pedicabs, at the cost of almost £65,000.


    The result is that London pedicabs would fall within taxi and private hire licensing for the first time. Outside London, pedicabs already fall within the scope of taxi licensing, and in some areas this has resulted in their being banned. The Secretary of State will have power to decide at a national level whether pedicabs should be licensable as taxis or private hire vehicles and, if so, subject to what conditions. Licensing authorities would retain the power to impose additional standards governing their use as taxis and could, where appropriate, prevent such vehicles from working as taxis in their area, or in particular zones within their area.

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    It looks as if they are going to recommend a license or a ban. We will no longer be treated as stage coaches. Cycle_Pathic_Maniac supports a ban.

    The rickshaw industry, for a long time now, has been like a horse with 4 broken legs. Sure there might be ways to fix what is broken but the end result will be a horse writhing in agony. It is time the horse is shot and put out of it's misery. Most riders in London are incapable of providing a rickshaw service that London can be proud of.

    They told us that pedicabs raised significant safety and traffic-related issues, including contravention of restrictions on one-way streets, riding on the footway, parking in bus lanes, impeding traffic in central London and generating anti-social behaviour such as aggressive touting and playing loud music. Many pedicabs did not have working brakes, lighting or seat belts.


    The above is commonplace. The rickshaw industry in London is nothing more than a 3 wheeled circus, a monkey fuck. If licensing were to be implemented it would have to be made so that getting a licence would be difficult for both fleet owner and rider alike. It wouldn't work unless all the riff raff was taken out of the equation. That said, in all likelihood it would be TfL as our governing body, the same people who license mini cabs, a 4 wheeled monkey circus. Time to swing the ban hammer.


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    This is from last year but shows just how much the powers that be want to be rid of us.

    BBC News - Mayor bids to get London pedicabs off streets
    Good times and riches and son of a bitches,
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    Yea, LPOA are working through a whole pile of poo (mostly made by our own 'short sighted' industry :-/ but it does smell a lot like a stitch up, usually thought up by those with power for those without ... - still we have a few more years to find a loop hole

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    Think all there is like a monkey fuck
    LOPA texted any times but no answers....
    more bla bla as any i think
    where the guys andr diers they will make best jobs in pedicabbing ??????
    not seeing really....

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    Not sure what you are trying to say? You texted the LPOA ...... Try emailing them at info@lpoa.org.uk

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    Anyway, 3 years later, the pedicab issue has been 'kicked into the long grass' ..... Brexit, is taking up all the fun in the house & as any solution being dreamed up was going to kill many pedicabers off, maybe better so.
    For now ..... don't hold your breath for change.

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    Hey Freddy,

    Are you still part of the scene there bud? I kind of assumed all pedicabs in London now have motors and wondered what that had done to some of the bigger fleets like John, Hernia, You cant touch this Ed,, and Here Here Jair?

    I was in the UK at Christmas and passed through London, but didn't see many pedicabs. It was a bit sad to see the Chancery Lane doors closed and wondered what happened to some of the characters like Sarah, Matthew and (Eastern European Mechanic guy) - forgot his name.

    What's the gossip?

    Russ

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    Hi Mr Russ,
    thanks for the interest .....
    I'm still in the wings but doing another area in the huge cycling project now flowering in the EU but also still fighting off a toxic license proposal as LPOA chairman for now, see if anyone wants the honor this December as I've moved to the south of france.

    Closed Bugbugs Media Ltd with the garage but still operate the advertising and R&D projects. Sadly, operators did not manage to cooperate and pull together as a co-operative, so were unable to continue with Shoe lane, so each company moved to a different garages. Which are still under attack from westminsters minions.

    Few operators continued to invest into new pedicabs without a guaranteed future or working license, so things have taken a natural downturn in numbers (just under 200 units on the street now), was a kinda 'natural wastage', as units hit the no return age or are snapped up for new markets abroad.

    Westminster still not helping, by going after all the base garages but a tribute to how tough the riders and industry is, considering how hard they tried to wipe all the pedicabs out .

    Most companies did shrink but for the large part are still operating and mostly fully electric, police pressure has dropped and rider incomes are better for most.

    Sarah is still active fixing thing, though has her usual adventures. Mathew (bike tour guy) is riding rickshaw again, as he found his market dropping off. Mati working abroad in holland and riding high. Robi is working different garages in London and doing well, last time he helped me. Dollar is master mec in Paris and also doing ok.

    For the most people, managed their own fortunes for better or worse but I think the pedicab influence left every one, with a better fortunes.

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